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Noble Assembly Faq. 


 


 

Whether you are a new owner or a prospective buyer we are sure you have questions about this fine automobile! The following questions are the most commonly asked and we hope this information will address some of the issues pertaining to being a Noble owner.

Please feel free to contact us for any additional information.

1.  Can a Noble be registered here in the United States?

Yes.  The Noble is considered a component vehicle and can be registered in your State as a "Specialty Construction Vehicle".  Each State/County varies with compliance and it is best to contact your local Department of Motor Vehicles and follow their specific process.  TurboHoses R&D is  located in California and will be glad to assist all new California owners with the correct protocol for registration.

 

2.  Do I need an expert mechanic to install the engine?

Due to the nature of the vehicle, it is highly recommended to have a professional install the engine. It is also recommended that your installer be knowledgeable about "turbochargers" as the Noble is equipped with twin turbos from the factory.

Your purchase will come in three pieces:  The chassis, the engine and the accessories package (a/c, engine mounts, transmission,  computer, etc...).  Most experienced installers will provide some thermal package which shield some of the heat away from the wiring, intercooler and other engine parts.  

 

3.  Do I need any parts that do not come with the assembly package?

The engine package from the factory is complete.  Recommended upgrades:

A.  Blow off Valve

B.  Turbo Oil Return lines.

 

4.  Where does all the engine heat come from?

The engine heat comes from lack of airflow through the engine bay.  The two turbos generate large amounts of heat as a by-product of it's usage.  Most installers will provide their own version of heat shielding kits which cover the majority of wires, computer, tubing, intercooler box,  etc... By far, this seems to be a "band-aid" upgrade more so than a true repair.  TurboHoses R&D addresses these issues by using a combination of ECU tuning and hardware that have decreased ambient engine temps. by over 75dg. F.  This was done without any type of excessive thermal wrap.

 

5.  Is the Noble ready for a track event?

Yes and no.  In our experience the Noble does very well in it's stock configuration for the average track day.  Like any other vehicle, a dedicated track car will need to be race prepped to perform optimally and reliably. 

Most high-performance Nobles will include the following in their build:

A.  Dyno Tuning

B.  Brake ducting modification

C.  Alignment for closest spec. to factory.

D.  Thermal management

E.  High Flow Exhaust

F.  Upgraded Intercooler

These modifications also make for an excellent daily/weekend driver.

 

6.  Is the Noble engine easy to maintain?  

The engine is a 3.0 ltr. V6 Ford Duratec engine.  Although modified for the turbo chargers,  most external engine hardware and components can be purchased from the dealer and/or local parts store.  OEM pieces are available from the factory and must be shipped to you.

 

7.  Can I modify the engine for more hp?

The Noble is a simple vehicle to modify for hp gains.  However, this must be done in conjunction with dyno tuning for safe results.  

We have found that any modification that effects air flow (exhaust, intercooler, tubing etc) will change the air fuel ratios to a point beyond a comfortable safety margin.

Dyno graph of a stock M12.

Notice the A/F ratio.

 

Dyno graph of a stock M400.

Much better a/f ratio, but will lean out with any exhaust modification.

 

TurboHoses R&D is an U.S. authorized MBE Tuning Facility by Lee Noble of Noble Cars.

 

The Noble programming from the M12 to now M400 is some what mysterious as to how many versions of the map there are.  This has created quite a controversy for owners that have had idle issues in specifically the M12 model.

 

Below are facts and information that will help clear some of the history to the Noble ECU, programming and tuning specific to each model:

 

 

 

 

Noble M12 FAQ's


  

 

This is the first left hand drive Noble ever built and sent to the United States.

It comes to TurboHoses Speed Shop Service for custom intercooler piping, heat insulation, intake modification and tuning.

Due to the lack of airflow, we have noted a large amount of heat build up in the engine compartment.  Also noted, were the position of the exhaust system/cats. relative to the position of engine components, OEM design of heat shields that needs a bit of attention.

We first started with installation of a BOV as well as enlarging the IC piping to match the throttle body more equally.  The turbochargers were removed and custom Iconel heat shields were fabricated to "retain" the thermal charge in the turbine housing rather than having the engine bay heat soaked with the radiant charge.

 

Common Questions

  1.  How much "Wheel Horsepower" does an M12 make?  A stock M12 will make

        260-340whp.  The large variance depends on the map you have and period

        vehicle was purchased.  Very early models make less hp.

 

   2.  Why does the idle hunt and sometimes die?  The M12 never came with a Idle

        Speed Valve. This problem is common for those that have upgraded the ECU

        to the HYPO map.

       

 

   3.  What is the HYPO map?  The HYPO map was designed for M12 owners to

        increase performance by increasing boost.

 

   4.  How do you fix the idle issues?  There are many myths of resetting adaptive

        maps, turning the key fob 10 times etc....  None of these work for any lengthy

        amount of time.  Turning the key fob 10 times does not reset throttle position

        since the engine now has an aftermarket computer that doesn't require/

        understand the signal.

        

          First, check for vacuum leaks, correct throttle position (850rpm) and be sure

        everything is operating properly.  If all are within specifications, it should idle

        well, but this may be temporary due to the ecu maps needing calibration.

     

       

   5.  Why are there idle issues to begin with?  The early M12 maps were created

        in the  U.K.  Revisions were later done by Roush which only made idle better,

        which ultimately lead to still a temporary fix.

 

   6.  What computer (ECU) does the Noble use?  The Noble uses three different

        computers from MBE.  They are fully programmable. 

 

   7.  Why does the M400 run better than the M12's?   Like any manufacturer, things

        get better with time.  The M400 is the current production flag ship of Noble and

        a few revisions are what makes the M400 what it is today.

 

 

 

 

Noble M400 FAQ's 


  

This is definitely an exotic performance super car!  To our knowledge there may be less than 100 of these in the U.S. 

The M400 is the muscle version of the M12 series.  As an upgrade to the M12, the M400 is equipped with larger turbos, stiffer suspension as a standard part of the package.

This M400 comes to us for upgrading what is considered an upgrade from the M12 already.

Newly installed are twin GT2871 turbos and custom fabricated 3" downpipes  and a dual 3" exhaust system. 

438 Whp. 402ft. lbs. torque

 

Common Questions

   1.  How much "Wheel Horsepower" does an M400 make?  The average "stock" M400

       makes about 305whp to 355whp on pump gas ( 91-93 octane).

 

   2.  Can I turn up the boost with a manual boost controller?  It is possible, however

        the best way to control boost is through the computer which is fully

        programmable.  For optimum performance, you will need to calibrate the ECU on

        a chassis dyno.

      

   3.  Do Rising Fuel Pressure regulators, different map sensors, boost controllers work

        as a permanent fix?  These are considered band aids and not correct repair.

        When the ECU is inaccessible for re-calibration, these accessories are often the

        only option.

         

    4.  How much more wheel horsepower can I make with the stock parts?  On 91

         we've achieved over 400+whp.

 

    5.  If I upgrade parts, will I need to tune the computer?  The Noble is extremely

         sensitive boost fluctuations and it is imperative that the motor is tuned

         for safety.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

       

           

 

 

 

 


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